Episode 19 – The One About Halloween and Twilight vs. Harry Potter

We give you a spooktacular Halloween special with Episode 19 of Transmissions From Atlantis. First, we give you our halloween memories and beliefs, along with our scariest halloween movies. We talk with Ann and Terri of Necronomicon 2012 to find out what’s going on this weekend.  We talk with Uncle Lew of the Doctor Who podcast the Happiness Patrol about their 100th episode and we discuss the scariest villains in Doctor Who. We also ask the question – is Doctor Who horror or science fiction?

Finally – we have our second great debate – Twilight vs. Harry Potter.

Hit it after the jump for links and schedule.

2:21 – Opening

5:03 – Upcoming Schedule

7:47- What Halloween Means for us

9:08- Best Halloween Memories

13:16- Serial Vampire Series


18:03- Scariest Movies

26:10- The Great Debate – Twilight vs. Harry Potter

Transmissions Received
1:01:45- Necronomicon 2012 with Ann Morris and Terri Sears


Doctor Who

1:28:37- Series 7, Part 2 Writers

1:32:01 – Is Episode 710 called Journey to the Center of the TARDIS?

1:35:45- The Happiness Patrol 100th with Uncle Lew – Lewis Bailey


1:47:44- TARDIS Building with Uncle Lew

1:52:05- Scariest Doctor Who Villains with Uncle Lew

2:01:02- Is Doctor Who Horror or Science Fiction

2:12:00- Get out the vote!

2:12:41- Closing

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2 thoughts on “Episode 19 – The One About Halloween and Twilight vs. Harry Potter

  • October 26, 2012 at 7:04 am

    I think you missed several major points in your Twilight vs. Harry Potter debate:

    1. The fact is that the Twilight fanbase is heavily female, whereas the Harry Potter fanbase does have a large male fanbase. This is due to the fact that the Twilight series is, first and foremost, a romance. Romance books are heavily, or almost exclusively, read by females and thus Twilight will probably never have a huge male fanbase. This, in and of itself, assures that Harry Potter has, and will have, down the road a larger fanbase to draw from.

    2. You mentioned having difficulty finding someone to take the side of Twilight for your debate. One of the things I’ve noticed is that Twilight fans are somewhat defensive about their love for the series. I think their defensive stance simply has to do with the fact that most genre fans tend to look on the Twilight series with disdain (vampires don’t glitter, for example, is often brought up by non-fans as a reason to dislike the series). To be fair, I’ve never read the Twilight series, or seen the films, but I do think many genre fans do themselves a disservice by “dissing” someone’s fandom.

    3. I do think that the Twilight books have made an impact, particularly in the book publishing industry. The whole paranormal romance genre really took off with the Twilight series. Once again, the fanbase for this genre is almost exclusively female, and I’m also not sure how much crossover there is between readers of the paranormal romance genre and the more traditional genres of sci-fi, fantasy and horror. Twilight also made books with strong female lead characters more palatable to book publishers. I do wonder whether “The Hunger Games” series, featuring it’s strong female lead Katniss would have been successful pre-Twilight.

    4. It should be also worth noting that Twilight also did inspire the “Fifty Shades” trilogy. After all, the Fifty Shades trilogy was originally written as Twilight fan-fiction. Whatever one might think of the “Fifty Shades” trilogy (I haven’t read it and thus have no opinion), the fact remains that it was a huge phenomenon in the book publishing industry this year. Once again, though, because of the disdain that many hold for the “Fifty Shades” trilogy, fans of the series tend to be a bit “defensive” about the fact that they actually like the series. And, since it was originally written as Twilight fan fiction, I often think that many of the fans of the “Fifty Shades” trilogy are also Twilight fans as well, perhaps they read Twilight as teenagers (the first Twilight book showed up in 2005) and are now reading the “Fifty Shades” trilogy as young adults.

    5. None of this is to knock Harry Potter, because Harry Potter really started the whole “young adult” trend in book publishing. Many of the popular book phenomenons of the last decade have been “young adult” novels. Eragon, Twilight and even such non-genre series like Gossip Girl have all proven popular. Even such series that were written prior to Harry Potter, like the Vampire Diaries, have been revived since the release and subsequent popularity of the Harry Potter series.

    Overall, I think it’s really hard to compare the two series, as they each appeal to a different demographic. The Harry Potter demographic is much larger (simply due to having a sizable male fanbase), but whether each will retain its appeal down the road is the big unknown. Will future generations wish to dive into the worlds of Harry Potter and/or Twilight? That’s the big unknown, and I do think in this regard Harry Potter has a huge advantage.

    But for every Lord of the Rings and Chronicles of Narnia that become outright classics, there are also publishing phenomenons that diminish with the passage of time. At one time, the Wrinkle in Time series was considered to be a major phenomenon and very popular with readers of sci-fi and fantasy. Wrinkle in Time celebrated its 50th anniversary this year, but very much with a whimper rather than a shout. While the publishers did print a 50th anniversary edition of the book, it was a paperback edition and certainly not the nice hardback edition that the Lord of the Rings received back in 2004 for its 50th anniversary. Is the Lord of the Rings a better series than the Wrinkle in Time series? Well, at the very least, the Lord of the Rings is, by far, the more popular series that it can support a 50th anniversary hardcover, something that the publishers of Wrinkle in Time felt there wasn’t enough support for.

    On another note, looking forward to Hurricane Who. I’m going to try to attend your “Spin-offs from Doctor Who” panel, which I believe is on Friday. Looking forward to your thoughts on the various spin-offs of Doctor Who, like Torchwood, Sarah Jane and the K9 series.

  • October 26, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Mark, first (as always) thanks for listening. Awesome points as usual. I agree – time will only tell us whether Twilight will stand the test of time but to discount it’s impact is short sighted (Don’t tell Rita I said that, lol).

    Make sure you introduce yourself at Hurricane Who, we’d love to meet you.

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